tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5595517.post8181302478304143410..comments2023-07-19T09:45:46.715-05:00Comments on NoFo: Every argument against marriage equality is horseshitJakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00185984468611879364noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5595517.post-211002162440373882012-02-10T14:07:31.604-06:002012-02-10T14:07:31.604-06:00The problem you point to is due to the failure of ...The problem you point to is due to the failure of two Constitutional provisions not being applied. The Full Faith and Credit Clause is why different-sex marriages are recognized in all 50 states -- even those where they could not be performed. DOMA explicitly allows this. And of course the Equal Protection Clause -- when a case comes to the Supreme Court, they will apply the Equal Protection Clause making same-sex marriage available throughout the country. But even then, each state will have its own age restrictions and consanguinity requirements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5595517.post-68366600348484027792012-02-10T10:59:45.324-06:002012-02-10T10:59:45.324-06:00Maggie Gallagher, the founder of the National Orga...Maggie Gallagher, the founder of the National Organization for Marriage, has a failed marriage- her "husband" apparently doesn't live with her, she doesn't wear a wedding ring, didn't take her husband's name.<br /><br />So of course she hates the fact that gays and lesbians want the happiness she has never had in her own life.Homerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18107337628719451890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5595517.post-18267540065661362682012-02-10T10:54:31.120-06:002012-02-10T10:54:31.120-06:00Bottom line when I speak on the subject:
There is...Bottom line when I speak on the subject:<br /><br />There is no proof and there cannot ever be proof that my marrying Fritz has prevented so much as one heterosexual couple from walking down the aisle of their choice. No member of any hate group has ever been able to say that his or her marriage has been dissolved, damaged or voided out because we got married. And . . .<br /><br />There is no proof and there cannot ever be proof that our marriage has prevented so much as one heterosexual couple from conceiving and delivering a baby. In fact, many lesbians do conceive and deliver babies, so there's that.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14279473113628377106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5595517.post-56271907775646800632012-02-10T00:09:11.875-06:002012-02-10T00:09:11.875-06:00I think we need to make a more effective distincti...I think we need to make a more effective distinction between civil marriage--the one that requires the license and somebody to officiate it--and sacramental marriage, which is an exclusively religious construct.<br /><br />I believe that civil marriage should be open to all pairs of consenting adults, regardless of gender. This is the marriage that has all the benefits in government and commerce (and you're absolutely right, a civil union is not the same thing and doesn't have the same benefits). Furthermore, I believe that civil marriages should not be solemnized by clergy. Whether for convenience or some other purpose, we have authorized religious ministers (of all faiths) to act on behalf of the state when they officiate at a wedding. "By the power vested in me by the State of Illinois, I pronounce you . . ." We must get the clergy out of government business! That means that your marriage originates in the courthouse, and not the church, mosque or synagogue.<br /><br />All that said, I am willing to let churches, mosques and synagogues, decide what marriages they will and will not bless. If a couple wants a community of faith to bless their marriage, by all means let them do so. I will welcome the day when communities of faith will bless and celebrate same-sex marriages, but I won't insist on it. There is a legitimate religious case for restricting the sacrament of marriage to heterosexual couples. But this is a religious construct and not a secular one; it has no business in the civil marriage that is routinely recognized in the secular realm. We have an overlap between civil (or secular) marriage and religious (or sectarian) marriage that needs to be corrected. If the U.S. were better at making the distinction between the two, we might not have this controversy.<br /><br />The bottom line for me: Civil marriage with all the pertaining benefits must be available to every consenting adult couple who desires it, and it must be obtained through a secular institution. Sacramental marriage should be available to couples who want the additional dimension to their legal/civil relationship. The more religious communities that are willing to bless gay marriages, the better. But the religious exercise should not be mistaken for the civil one. And, of course, the civil transaction should not be mistaken as a religious one.<br /><br />I hope that makes sense.Sethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12198342158926870111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5595517.post-3619770299723001002011-04-11T07:45:45.147-05:002011-04-11T07:45:45.147-05:00Homosexuality is a sin - according to whom? As a s...Homosexuality is a sin - according to whom? As a society we have a right to make basic rules of behavior to protect others. It is perfectly acceptable therefore to say "thou shall not commit murder" or "thou shall not steal" but what right does any one human being have to dictate how another human being should feel? If god decides that one man should be attract to another then who are we to say that this is wrong?John Dalehttp://thestudentloanscenter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5595517.post-27097254963260543972011-03-29T22:53:01.481-05:002011-03-29T22:53:01.481-05:00The real problem these days is that the world has ...The real problem these days is that the world has moved on but, for some reason, we feel that we have to cling to the past and to tradition. There really is no argument for retaining marriage these days as it is so simple to get out of marriage if and when you decide that it no longer works for you.<br /><br />More importantly, there are so many different forms of relationship today including a growing number of openly gay relationships. I know many loving gay relationships in which children are being raised which are far happier than a lot of traditional marriages in which people feel trapped for the sake of the kids with everyone suffering.Sam Westonhttp://clubcargolfcarts.orgnoreply@blogger.com